Drs. Sam & Mark Bailey Interview Etienne de la Boetie2

We talk about To See the Cage is to Leave It & The Scam of “Government”

Drs. Sam and Mark Bailey became famous during “The Covid” by becoming some of the first classically trained doctors to begin challenging the official narrative effectively on social media. The Baileys have amassed over 350,000 subscribers and 18 million views on YouTube.

While Dr. Samantha Bailey, took the lead on getting the truth to the public through her well-researched and referenced videos and website: drsambailey.com, husband Dr Mark J. Bailey, MB ChB, PGDipMSM, MHealSc produced one of the most devastating critiques of both the official version of “The Covid” and virology in general in his masterwork: A Farewell to Virology, which I referenced in my investigation Solving Covid – The Covid 19 Eugenics, Vaccine/Drug Scam Timeline. Both Baileys recently collaborated on The Final Pandemic: An Antidote to Medical Tyranny which breaks down the myths around virology and provides solutions for resisisting the next “pandemic.”

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Drs. Sam and Mark Bailey became famous during “The Covid” by becoming some of the first classically trained doctors to begin challenging the official narrative effectively on social media. The Baileys have amassed over 350,000 subscribers and 18 million views on YouTube.

While Dr. Samantha Bailey, took the lead on getting the truth to the public through her well-researched and referenced videos and website: drsambailey.com, husband Dr Mark J. Bailey, MB ChB, PGDipMSM, MHealSc produced one of the most devastating critiques of both the official version of “The Covid” and virology in general in his masterwork: A Farewell to Virology, which I referenced in my investigation Solving Covid – The Covid 19 Eugenics, Vaccine/Drug Scam Timeline. Both Baileys recently collaborated on The Final Pandemic: An Antidote to Medical Tyranny which breaks down the myths around virology and provides solutions for resisisting the next “pandemic.”

We are making the video available for both paid and free subscribers. Paid subscribers get the transcript which has been value-added with Etienne’s trademark memes, videos and visualizations discussed in the interview.

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Speakers Dr Sam Bailey, Dr Mark Bailey, and Etienne de la Boetie2

Video Intro – Etienne de la Boetie2 speaking:

The way that they get them to go along with it is they’re getting them when they’re young. They’re putting them into mandatory government schools; they’re putting them into Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Explorers, JROTC, police training, military training—and by the time they come out of that, after the police and the military have used these unethical, manipulative techniques on them, they’re willing to set their morality aside, and they’re willing to use violence on peaceful people.

Dr. Sam Bailey:

While my husband Mark and I woke up to the fraud of virology and germ theory in 2020, it was over a decade earlier that we discovered the fraud of government. So it was only natural that we were going to have a fantastic conversation with Etienne de la Boetie², the author of “Government” – The Biggest Scam in History… Exposed! and To See the Cage Is To Leave It – 25 Techniques the Few Use to Control the Many.

We are all voluntarists, vehemently against the corruption and compulsion that is, quote, “legalized slavery,” and passionate about helping others see beyond captivity. Etienne is the founder of the Art of Liberty Foundation and the editor of the Art of Liberty Daily News. In addition to his publications, he has been networking with libertarian projects around the world and helping demonstrate what can be done on the ground.

Thank you so much, Etienne, for the privilege and honor of coming on to our show. It’s just so wonderful to have you today.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

It is a pleasure to be with you and your audience.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

Now, we should also say—Etienne, there’s sometimes confusion about your name, and I believe it is pronounced Etienne de la Boetie Squared. Correct me if I’m wrong, but that is to distinguish yourself from a French philosopher of the same name.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

Yes, sir.

A statue of the original Etienne de la Boetie – 1530-1563

So obviously, I’m writing under a pen name, and the original Etienne de la Boetie was a French political philosopher. He wrote in the sixteenth century, and he was really one of the first to pull back the curtain and expose the tricks and techniques that rulers use—not just to get obedience, but to get fealty, adoration, and “God Save the Queen” and “All Hail the Chief.” And I’m doing his work in the modern age. I’m exposing the tricks and techniques that rulers are using to trick the population into going along with something that is not in their interest—and that is “government”.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

No, it is a real natural connection between us and you.

And we’ve actually been aware of your work for a very long time because we’re hardcore anarchists. And before anyone turns off the interview, that doesn’t mean 1970s English street punk rockers running around in the street smashing windows—it means something else, but we’ll get to that.

Something that’s really important is—obviously—the audience that’s been following us for the past five years knows that we’ve been exposing the scam of allopathic medicine, including germ theory and virology. And these are all massive scams that are used to control the population. But in many ways, they are sub-narratives.

If you like, serving what you talk about—and you even have a publication, an important one, called Government: The Biggest Scam in History—and it doesn’t end with a question mark, does it? It’s a statement.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

No, no. Government has really been the biggest scam in history.

And what I mean by that when I say it is that many people think government was created to protect life, liberty, and property—but you could also look at it as a technique for robbing and controlling populations. I believe that government is always illegitimate because it’s impossible to have a legitimate, moral government. It’s impossible to delegate rights that you don’t have yourself to a representative or to a government to represent you in doing something that you don’t have the ability to do yourself.

So if I don’t have the ability to, you know, show up at Mark and Sam’s store with a gun and force you to give me money for a retirement scheme, or for, you know, a charity or a good idea that I have—then I can’t delegate that right to a representative or to a government.

You can’t be bound by a social contract that you didn’t sign. If my fiancée and my kids—because there’s, you know, four of us and there’s two of you—we can’t vote, just because we outnumber you, that you have to give us all your money. Well, it doesn’t matter if there’s 10 of us or 50 or 330 million of us—there’s no magical person that makes something that is inherently illogical and immoral, now logical and moral.

And so it really has been the biggest scam in all of human history. And really, I call COVID the second biggest scam—maybe the third biggest. So we’ll put virology as the second biggest scam, and COVID, a subsection of virology, as the third biggest scam. But the scam that enabled the scam of virology and the scam of COVID has been government—through its hierarchical control of institutions like the NIH, the CDC, the NIAID, and the World Health Organization.

They’re able to hierarchically force down a policy through state health departments, local health departments, and, in the case of the World Health Organization, force it down globally. So the government was the scam that enabled the scam of COVID—through the hierarchical control of these county, state, city, and town-level health agencies.

Dr. Sam Bailey:

So interesting. Thank you, Etienne, because we’ll get more into this very soon.

But I just wanted to go back in time a little bit with your background. How did you get into, I guess, this world of Austrian economics and anarchism? How did that happen for you?

Etienne de la Boetie2:

When I was a young adult, I worked—I ran a national third-party political campaign for the Libertarian Party. I realized that the government and political system here in the United States was completely rigged against third parties. The third parties have their legs, essentially, broken at the starting line, while the Republicans and the Democrats have a 200-yard head start.

At the same time, you can’t raise any money. Incumbent parties are given all of these financial advantages, like the ability to send mail on the taxpayer’s dime, their own television studios, their own drivers, their own staff, and the ability to handle constituent problems with the regulatory agencies and the Social Security Administration, which endears reciprocity for the incumbents. There are just all of these different scams.

So I realized that was the ticket—so I bailed out and went to work for one of the “big four” think tanks in Washington, D.C

And I got put in a program there where I really learned a lot about free markets, and I learned about, you know, kind of natural law and the morality/immorality of government—and really kind of came to understand that you don’t really need government. You know, everything that government—most of what government does—is as a provider of services. Whether that service is armed protective services they call the police, whether it’s dispute resolution they call the courts, whether it’s running the worst passenger train system on the planet—moderate, at least in the Western world—whether it’s delivering the mail… whatever it is, all of that would be done by the free market better, faster, and cheaper than the government does it. And so, we just don’t really need government.

And so, you know, I am an anarchist. You know, to your point, anarchy doesn’t mean no rules—anarchy means no rulers. But because the rulers don’t want the population to know there’s an option on the menu called “no rulers,” the rulers use control of the media—the monopolized media—to change the definition. And in my book Government – The Biggest Scam in History, I actually break this down by showing the 1827 definition of anarchy in Webster’s Dictionary and comparing it to the modern definition of anarchy, so that you can see how the definition has been changed to chaos and dystopia. And then I break down who owns the dictionary—and it’s the Safra banking family—and they’ve installed Leslie Gelb, the former president of the Council on Foreign Relations, onto the editorial advisory board.

And so, you know, language is being used as a weapon. If you can control the words that people use, you can control the people to the extent that they have to use those words. I describe myself as an anarcho-capitalist, but really, one of the things I’m known for is trying to get people to move to the term “voluntarist,” because you get to the exact same thing—you get to no rulers—but you get there from a moral high ground: that all relationships between people must be voluntary. Nobody has rights that other people don’t—especially the government. Nobody has the ring of power—because there isn’t a ring of power.

And there’s a kind of understanding within voluntarism that the world is a self-organizing place. It produces spontaneous order. Everything the government does would be done better, faster, and cheaper—and people would be… there would be a lot less strife in society, because you wouldn’t have to fight over the ring of power.

Here in the United States, there’s a real knife fight going on at the school board level—in almost every major school board. And if you lose in San Francisco, you get LGBTQ+ studies forced on your child. If you lose in Detroit, you may get Islamic studies forced on your child. If you lose… you might get critical race theory. And so there’s all this jockeying for the ring of power.

But in a voluntarist world, you would be so wealthy—because, number one, the government and the banks wouldn’t be stealing the value out of your money—that you could afford to send your child to whatever school you wanted. And that would produce way better outcomes, with way more harmony in society, and people would be much, much wealthier.

I just don’t think people understand how much wealthier they would be if—you know, forget the overt taxes, the covert taxes, the hidden taxes, and all of that—but if the government and the banks just weren’t stealing the value out of everybody’s money, we’d all be fabulously wealthy. And we just wouldn’t need the “free” education the government promises.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

Yeah. Well, fantastic summary there, Etienne. And I think you got onto a really important point, which is that people have come to blindly accept that the cost of living should be going up—when, as you know, that’s not how free markets work. Cost of living should come down—unless people want it to go up, which nobody does, essentially.

So this has been another scam as well. And in order to carry out the scam, as you know, we have the financial system, including fractional reserve banking. And one of the biggest scams that has been forced on the public is the idea that inflation is somehow built into the system, and it’s always going to happen.

But the government—and their reserve… well, their reserve bank, which they claim is, you know, operating separately—will “keep inflation under control.” They just have to keep it between 2–3%, and then everyone will be happy.

But again, as you know, this is another scam that they’re running. And, you know, of course—yeah—we talk about the ranking list of scams, but the financial system is one of the greatest scams they’re running against the public. Most people don’t realize that because, again, they can’t do what they do without having governments enforcing things—like the currency, for instance, the fiat money supply—and making the public use that.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

So I know you have investigated that and talk about it in your publications a lot as well.

And you’re absolutely right. The United States has been an interesting case study in economics because we were on a gold standard—you know, a pure gold standard—where you can’t just create money out of thin air. You can’t create digital dollars. You can’t create, you know, warehouse receipts.

And prices in the United States, when we had hard money, were deflationary, as productivity improvements and innovations reduced the costs of the services—kind of the luxuries and necessities of life.

If you think about it—one example I like to use—there’s a company that makes a giant sail that goes on the biggest of ocean-going tankers and ships. You can just add the sail, and it’ll save over three tons of fuel a day on the cost of an ocean-going voyage.

There are innovations—you know, we’re using Zoom right now—like video conferencing, productivity apps like Trello or Slack. There are all these different innovations that are reducing the cost of businesses producing or distributing their goods and services.

So everybody should see that reflected in lower costs and lower prices. But instead, what you’ve got is the government and the banks stealing the value out of everybody’s money by allowing the banks to create money out of thin air using the technique of fractional reserve banking.

And for your audience that may not be familiar, the basics of the scam are: when you go to a bank to get a mortgage, or a car loan, or a business loan, they’re not loaning you depositor money. They just tickle the keys on the keyboard and credit your account with digital dollars. The more digital dollars they create, the more it reduces the purchasing power of all the other dollars in circulation.

So that exorbitant privilege the banks have—to create money out of thin air—is inflationary, and it’s stealing the value out of everybody else’s money. And the more dollars they produce—or the government produces—whether it’s through fractional reserve banking or quantitative easing…

The example I like to use is: if I have a dollar, and you—dear viewer or dear listener—have a dollar, and we both have the only two dollars in the world, I own 50% of the world’s wealth, and you own 50% of the world’s wealth. Then either a bank or a government comes along and, through fractional reserve banking or quantitative easing or the printing press, they create two more dollars.

Well, now I’ve been reduced to 25% of the world’s wealth, you’ve been reduced to 25% of the world’s wealth, and the government or the bank has now stolen 50% of the world’s wealth—without lifting a finger. And that’s the system that has allowed them to buy up the world.

And they started with the media—so that the media would not tell people what’s going on. And that bought-and-paid-for media was the exact same monopolized, bought-and-paid-for media that sold you the COVID narrative—or continues to sell the population on the legitimacy of government, the legitimacy of virology, the “safety and efficacy” of vaccines, whatever the scam of the day is—from 9/11 to the Oklahoma City bombing, to the gazillion other propaganda crimes.

That monopolized media system has been bought and paid for with dollars that were created out of thin air by this banking system.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

Yeah. And I think something really important for the audience to understand here as well, Etienne—and with your research into what a scam government is—is that people might say, “Well, why doesn’t the government do something about this? Why don’t they tell the banking system or the central banks to stop doing this?”

Well, the government is about the biggest beneficiary in the room. They love this kind of thing, because they get the spending power first. So, of course, they go along with it—with the issuing of government bonds, etc.

The money flows into their hands first, and their allies—the banking system and the favored corporations. So governments love this. And then they just have a story, as you know, for the public, about why the cost of living is going up.

Like, they’ll say, “Well, it’s climate change,” or “There was a pandemic,” or “There’s market uncertainty”—and they’ll just have a story and an economist ready to explain it.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

The frontman will tell the public this, but the scam requires this partnership between governments and the banking system. And what I like to describe as the most powerful weapon in the world is this control of perception—the ability to control the information the population receives, to be able to trick them into thinking that they’re not a free and independent human being, but that they’re a Kiwi, a New Zealander, an Englishman, or an American. And by virtue of where they live and where they were born, they owe money to Washington, D.C., or to London, or to wherever it is—and that that’s legitimate, and that everybody agrees with it, and everybody’s going along with it.

That ability to control the information society receives is essentially held by about six old-school media companies—Time Warner, which owns CNN and HBO, News Corp, and companies like that on the old media side. There are about six companies running hundreds and hundreds of subsidiaries to trick the population into thinking there are all these different information sources in society.

But if you actually look at some of the media ownership charts that we have in Government: The Biggest Scam in History, you can see how these hundreds of corporations just roll up to a handful of companies operating as a cartel.

On the new media side, there are about four to five dozen newer players—social media, search engines, Wikipedia, Facebook, X (formerly Twitter), Reddit, Snopes, and others—that control information on what I like to call the DARPA Internet.

I’m an ex-networking guy. I used to work at global ISPs. I used to build networks for Wall Street—market data and trading floor technology. I believe that the powers that shouldn’t be had the Internet way before they released it to the public in the 1994–1996 timeframe. I’ve seen network maps going back to 1973 and 1974 when the Internet was ARPANET—the Advanced Research Projects Agency Network—that later became DARPA.

Network Map of the ARPANET from 1974 showing dozens of military, intelligence agencies, and research institutions connected to the “internet” two decades before it was released to the public

Back in 1974, they had dozens and dozens of research institutions, intelligence agencies, and the Pentagon all hooked up to the Internet. So, I think by the time they released it to the public, they had already figured out what key technologies they needed to invest in and control to be able to control information widely. That is the most powerful weapon on the planet—the ability to control the information the population receives so they can be tricked and tax-farmed into paying their tithes to the government.

Dr. Sam Bailey:

I also really appreciated, flowing from that—and you wrote about it in Government: The Biggest Scam in History—how important schooling and education are. The indoctrination has to start very early for this whole machine to work.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

Yeah, and I think just to add to that: there’s a lot of concern about the material being taught in schools. That’s one thing, and it’s valid—they can teach all sorts of nonsense about so-called biological science, etc. But I think what you’ve really focused on, Etienne, is exposing the system itself—of behavioral control, routines, becoming part of a cult, normalizing behaviors, and even flipping things like ethics and morality on their head.

To indoctrinate the kids into accepting that if the government does it, it’s okay.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

So, I have a new book coming out. The new book is titled To See the Cage Is to Leave It: 25 Techniques the Few Use to Control the Many. And what I do in the book is break down 25 unethically manipulative techniques that the government and the media use on the population to get people to go along with government as a religion.

Now, they’re not calling it a religion—but they’re using all the same tricks and techniques that a disingenuous religion or a cult would use to get their followers to obey and go along. The number one is the school system.

We’re going to take kids and force them into a mandatory government school system, where the teacher—the priest—is going to teach them, in the United States, the holy documents of the Constitution. They’re going to sing the hymns of “The Star-Spangled Banner” and the national anthem. They’re going to be taken to Mecca—Washington, D.C.—in middle school, where they’re going to go into the cathedral of the Capitol, which looks like the Vatican for a reason, where they’re going to visit the temples to see the deities of Lincoln and Thomas Jefferson.

It looks like a Greek temple. It has the same kind of statue a Greek temple would have. It’s very hushed and reverent. The judges are going to wear vestments. The military is going to go on crusades. I could go on and on.

It is being indoctrinated as a religion—starting with the government school system.

Then there’s another branch. The government school system produces a cult member—a citizen that’s willing to tithe and semi-voluntarily hand over a portion of their income. A lot of people in the United States really believe it’s their duty as a citizen to pay their taxes, that it’s going to good things. They might not like everything the government does, but they believe they’re a good citizen and a good human being—because the government system has taught them that’s what a moral person does: gives Washington, D.C. money.

They believe you have to have a government, or the world would be chaos and dystopia.

Then there’s another branch—and that starts with the Cub Scouts, the Boy Scouts, the Explorers. In the U.S., we have a program called the Junior Reserve Officer Training Corps, where they start in middle school and get kids into a kind of mini-military program. They put them in a uniform. The word “uni-form” means “single form.” It’s an artificial group conformity where their heads are shaved, they’re all dressed identically, so they lose their individuality and are subsumed into this artificial group identity.

They develop a love for the uniform. They’re indoctrinated into hierarchical command and control—so they can be ordered around.

By the time they go through these programs, like the Young Marines, the government is running high schools here in the United States. And by the time they finish, if you want them to goose-step, they’ll goose-step. If you want them to go abroad and murder people who haven’t invaded the U.S. or caused them any harm, they’ll go and murder people.

Shave-headed police recruits dressed in the uni-form of artificial conformity

You want the police to use violence on peaceful people—to enforce crimes that aren’t really crimes? They’ll do that.

We have a lot of crimes on the books in the United States that are called victimless crimes. Whether it’s smoking a plant or gambling—you’re not really hurting anyone except yourself. And for someone to use violence on you and throw you in a cage for something that’s not really a crime—that makes the police the criminal.

That further compacts the police into this group dynamic, because they’re having to use violence on peaceful people in an unhealthy group environment.

They’re given golden pensions and paid more than comparably skilled laborers so they become financially dependent on the cult.

It really is a whole system. There are all these different techniques that most people have never really thought about or unpacked. But that’s what the scouting programs produce—and then the media in the United States comes around and uses a variety of, again, ethically manipulative techniques.

They product-place the American flag. They make the government the hero in movies and TV shows. They use an advertising technique called anchoring, where movies build up to a moment of high positive emotion—and then show you the flag.

The example I use a lot is The Martian, with Matt Damon. He escapes Mars. The whole movie builds up to him escaping Mars. And then—he’s not going to make it! Something went wrong. Something went wrong! Oh no! Is he going to make it in time?

They cut to Earth, and people were waving American flags. They cut to Mission Control, and there are huge American flags on the backdrop. What they’ve done is bring you to that moment of high positive emotion—and then they show you the flag. They show you the flag. They do it.

In some cases, they’ll saturate the flag dozens and dozens and dozens of times in a single movie.

We’ve got a video in the new book To See the Cage Is to Leave It. In the ePub copy, you can just click on it. In the print version, there’s a QR code you can scan. I’ve got a short video clip that shows 469 product placements of the American flag in just 12 Michael Bay movies.

This little video just shows the second or two that the flag is on the screen, and then it has an arrow pointing to it. It goes “ding,” and then shows the next little clip with the flag—“ding,” “ding,” “ding,” “ding,” and you’re like…

And you know, most people—it doesn’t register when they come by individually. But once you see it, you can never unsee it. You realize: “Oh my God—they’re running game on me. They’re trying to trick me. They’re using unethically manipulative techniques to get me to have a warm, fuzzy, feel-good feeling for the government that is stealing half of my income in overt taxes, covert taxes, and inflation.”

Once you understand that there are 25 different techniques—and I could’ve kept going. I had to ship the book, so I cut it off at 25 techniques. I had to cut it off at 21, then thought, “I gotta do this one. I gotta do this one.” I actually threw in, in the very last paragraph of the 25 techniques, a 26th—just because I didn’t want to write another full section, but I had to get one more in there.

If you’ve ever seen a government funeral—like for a police officer or a military person—they’ll have this flag ceremony, and they’ll hand the American flag to the person’s child. What does that have to do with anything?

They’re unethically manipulating—associating the American flag with the memory of a departed loved one. It’s hardcore tricks and techniques. In some cases, they’re hundreds of years old. In some cases, they’re thousands of years old. This is what the original Etienne de la Boétie was exposing. I’m exposing the modern versions of it.

But these are, in some cases, ancient techniques used to get people not just to go along—because they’re threatened by the IRS or by men with guns—but to want to go along. To self-identify as an American, a New Zealander, an Australian—whatever it is. If they can get you to wrap a part of your identity around that label, then you’ll go along with almost anything.

Even though it’s a completely fake group. You know—New Zealand is a small place—but in the United States, it’s huge. I’m from Texas. Someone in Texas has very little in common with someone living in Alaska or Hawaii. Someone in Florida has very little in common with someone in the Pacific Northwest. Someone in New Mexico has very little in common with someone in the state of Maine.

So it’s a completely artificially created tribe—used to get people to self-identify so they can be taxed, farmed, and controlled.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

That’s such an interesting concept—especially with a place like the United States, where originally the states were much more independent. Today, people are under the impression that everything has to be under one centralized government.

It’s the same everywhere. These artificial borders are created. In New Zealand, for instance, we have the North Island and the South Island—geographically separated by a large body of water. But if you ask someone who’s been through the school system, “Could they not just separate into two different countries?” they’ll start giving excuses for why that’s not possible.

They’ll say, “No, no, no—you can’t do that.” But then we have a much farther island—a big one—called Australia. And they say, “Oh no, we’re not part of that.”

You ask them to explain where the borders should be, and they have this convoluted explanation. They don’t realize that all of these countries are in a state of anarchy compared to each other. They don’t have jurisdiction over each other.

Again, it’s absolute brainwashing. People are told, “Here’s a map of the world. These are the borders.” And maybe they’ll say something like, “Oh, this country was naughty and lost a war, so the borders changed—but now we’ve got it back to where it’s supposed to be.”

Etienne de la Boetie2:

I was traveling to London, and I was in the passport control line. An armed UK immigration officer was walking up and down, and I grabbed him and said, “Hey, out of curiosity, what happens if I show up in the UK and I’m not anybody’s tax slave? I live on my own island somewhere. I don’t have a passport. I just want to come see the UK—but I don’t belong to any other country.”

He says: “We arrest you.”

So if you’re not a tax slave to someone else—it’s a very sneaky system.

And in the case of Israel, for example, which was a completely created country—the Rothschilds essentially bought themselves their own country. That’s what the Balfour Declaration is: a thank-you note. And now they have diplomatic immunity. They don’t have to go through customs. In some cases, there’s no extradition—so someone can commit crimes in one country and flee to another, and nothing can be done, because there’s no agreement in place.

The whole thing is a complete scam, where people at the top are making trillions of dollars. They are essentially tax-farming human labor, which is the most profitable business in the world. And they get away with it because they control the information people receive—information designed to make people believe this system is legitimate.

If you just step back and really think about it like an adult—is there any way that you can delegate a right you don’t have yourself to a representative or government? Can you be bound by a “social contract” you didn’t sign?

The whole notion falls apart. But it’s hard for many people to do that because it’s been indoctrinated into them as a religion. They’ve become religiously attached to it. Religiously attached to being an American, a New Zealander, an Australian—whatever it is.

They got them when they were young. They reinforced it through the media. And now people are religiously attached to an idea that is allowing them to be tax-farmed.

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Etienne de la Boetie2:

And then, when I say there’s nothing going on, I mean, it was like a ghost town. I’m the only person getting tested. You know, I go through the line, I get to the guy doing the testing, I take off my mask, and I’m like, “Hey,” I go, “I’m an investigative journalist, and we’re trying to figure out if there’s really a pandemic here.” And the guy looks like his hand was caught in the cookie jar. And he’s like—he’s like, “No.”

Etienne de la Boetie2:

I mean, he’s honest with me. He’s like, “No. There’s—we’re not…” He told me, “We’re not experiencing any pandemic conditions. We’re not even doing that many testing.” They’d only test eight people a day before. They were not seeing any increase in mortality other than the usual and customary elderly deaths or seasonal flus or whatever.

And I, like—it was—it was like, I mean, I walked out of there, and I’m like, “This whole thing is completely, completely fake.” And then I started to organize resistance to that in California with David Rodriguez, and some of the videos that we produced had millions of views. We were some of the folks that would go into the grocery stores and do cash drops without masks, where we walk in with, you know, dozens of different people without masks, so they couldn’t stop us at one time. We’d get all of our groceries, we’d figure out what the bill was that we owed, and we’d literally just walk out with the groceries, drop the money and a list of everything that we bought on the cashier stand, and we’d walk out with the groceries in a kind of, like, civil disobedience—because they were refusing to sell groceries to people unless you put the mask on.

And so we were—we were doing things like that. We reopened beaches. They were trying to keep the people off of the beaches in California. And so we would have beach parties, and we would literally walk on to, you know, to the beach in Santa Cruz, California—one of the most famous surfing beaches on the planet—with, you know, 60-plus people and a bullhorn, and, like, “We’re reopening this beach.” Like, people playing guitars, people surfing, people playing—we’d set up a badminton, and we’d be playing badminton and, like—I mean, it was a full-scale beach party. The police would come, and we would say, “Hey…” You know, they say, “Hey, you guys gotta leave,” and we’re like, “We’re not going anywhere.”

“And you’re the bad man for threatening people with violence.” And we would explain to them the immorality of what they were doing, and they would stand down every single time. I personally stood down the police, you know, on a weekly basis for, like, over a month, where the police would come, they would say, “Hey, you guys gotta stop doing this,” and we’re like, “We’re not going anywhere.” We would have bonfires at night. We’d take down all of the tape around the playground equipment. We were—we—they were putting locks, and they would lock up the beach.

We wouldn’t just cut the lock off with, like, a lock cutter—we’d cut the U-bolt off the post that was holding the lock on, so they couldn’t just put another lock on it. And we were reopening beaches. We were reopening parking spots. We were reopening… everything.

And so we were doing, you know, peaceful civil disobedience. But, hey, we’re not going along with this. We’re trying to—we’re trying to get—because we—I recognized it also: it was economic warfare against the population. They want the population to be poor.

They want the population to have to go to chain stores and chain restaurants and chain hotels and chain coffee shops. They don’t want there to be independent businesses that can say no to the government on policies like, you know, COVID shots. They want to be able to force COVID shots on people through the chain stores, the chain restaurants, the chain shops, and these companies that have been bought up with the fractional reserve dollars. And so that’s how they’re doing it. They’re buying the world with these little paper tickets, and they’re able—like, part of the reason that they were able to, you know, to enforce these policies is because all of the big mega chain stores, the airlines, all of these monopolies went along with it because, at a certain degree, they’re all in on it. So the banks create money out of thin air using fractional reserve banking. They’re buying up everything that can be bought.

They’re buying real estate, plant, property, equipment. They’re organizing the ownership of that in private equity companies like BlackRock, State Street, Vanguard, and others. And then the C-level executives are being organized in organizations like the World Economic Forum, the Council on Foreign Relations, the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission, and other front organizations and policy shops. And then they’re taking that policy, and they’re forcing it down through these companies that have been monopolized and bought up through fractional reserve banking. And that’s what you saw in the cupboard. Yeah. Definitely.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

And we’ve written about this edition—you know, my co-author, Dr. John Bibbon Smith, and I have talked about these wider issues, including the—you know, one of the biggest wealth transfers in history that just took place, and the public were completely scammed. And, yeah, just coming back to a few points there. Now I know you were definitely one of the first to call the COVID scam, but I—I have to say, shout out to John Rappoport. I don’t know if you knew, but in January 2020, on his website No More Fake News, he said it was a scam.

And again, like you, he had that background of knowing about the AIDS scam, and he had a smelled-of-rats straight away. So he actually published as early as January 2020, which was incredible, you know, to have that sense of what was going on. But, yeah, definitely, you’re a man after our own heart here, because we were also running activities very similar. In New Zealand, we were reopening facilities. And even our kids, who were quite a bit younger—you know, that’s five years old—now, they weren’t even—we didn’t even have a teenager in the household then. But they would go to playgrounds and reopen them. And they would—they would have a delightful time grabbing all of the red “Do Not Cross” lines and just take it all down and, you know, carefully put it away in the local rubbish bin, etcetera. And, you know, we—we ignored the mainstream news so much that we didn’t even know that there were these rules in New Zealand. And we took the family to the beach, and we were the only ones there. And we had people driving past, like, giving us a thumbs up out the window and, you know, waving and sort of going, “Good on you!” and all this kind of stuff. And we thought, “This is kind of weird,” because you don’t usually see that.

And it wasn’t until a few days later I was telling another family member. I said, “We went to the beach for anyone’s year,” and they said, “Oh, you’re not allowed to go to the beach.” We said, “What?” I would’ve hated this.

And we locked it up, and it was true that all these restrictions — like, we’ve gone on holiday, we’ve gone to the beach — and I think because we were so relaxed… And later on, when they brought in the face mask mandates, we never once wore a face mask. I couldn’t do all of the silent things. I don’t have a smartphone.

So we never did any of these cult-like rituals. And we heard that people were getting arrested and questioned and all this kind of stuff, which never happened to our family. And I think it was just because we were so — you know — just acted so natural, basically, and so nothing was happening. And it was one of those things where, like, you realize that it doesn’t take that many people to organize, and there’s nothing the state can do. So, yeah, really important strategy.

Would you agree? Civil disobedience?

Etienne de la Boetie2:

Oh, oh, without a doubt. And, you know, what you just illustrated is — you know — the most powerful weapon is that control of perception. Can they trick you into thinking that freedom is unpopular? That nobody is opposing the COVID? That there’s only 30 people instead of 10,000? That — you know — I mean, we would do, like… I — you know — during the COVID, I spoke to 3,000-plus people at the California State Capitol in Sacramento, California.

About to Speak to 3000+ unmasked people at the Capitol in Sacramento, CA

And the only people there wearing a mask were the media. And so it’s — it’s — it’s kind of, you know, like, ridiculous — you know — kind of what was going on in that time frame. But I think that — you know — that in some ways, 2020 was the year of seeing clearly, and it woke up more people — tens of millions, if not hundreds of millions — around the world to the fact that, hey, you know, the government and the media are willing to lie to me wholesale. They’re willing to force — you know — an experimental drug into my arm at warp speed, made by companies that are felons, that are multi-time felons, with little or no testing. Like, hey, something’s wrong, something’s going on here. And so — you know — I think that that was kind of the good that came out of the COVID, is that so many people woke up to the illegitimacy and the criminality of government — and — and — and that — you know — and that the media is in on it.

It’s government and the media working together — and — and — and they’re against your interests. They’re not in your interest. And they’re willing to straight-up lie to your face — you know — right on the national news or on the local news. You know, they will just absolutely lie to your face without batting an eye.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

Can I ask you, Adrienne, when you talked earlier about talking to the police that would come to the beach and things? Obviously, you’re good at doing that.

Do you have any tips, or what do you do when you’re interacting with the police in that situation?

Etienne de la Boetie2:

So, yes, it’s funny. So — so — what came out of that, of talking to the police on the beaches of Santa Cruz, is a lot of the police — they’d be like, “Hey man, we don’t wanna be doing this either.” Like, “We don’t — like — we don’t wanna be doing it. But what are we supposed to do?”

And an officer, you know, asked me that. And in my previous life, I used to be a productivity consultant for Fortune 500, 150 companies. And I’m like, “What should you do?” And I replied, “Well, you should get together collectively, and you should say no collectively.” And then they wouldn’t be able to do anything. And then the officer’s like, “Okay.”

You could see he was, like, thinking about that. And I realized that that was the key to standing down the police. And so I formed an organization called the Thick Red Line Project. You know, the police in the United States have something called the Thin Blue Line that is supposed to separate civil society from chaos and dystopia. And so the Thick Red Line is, “Hey — you know — there’s certain things that y’all should not be doing that are immoral.” The thick red line that a police officer should draw is: should I do this? Is this thing that I’m being asked to do moral, or is it immoral?

And you should draw a thick red line at victimless crimes. If there’s not a victim, it’s not really a crime — and it makes you the criminal. And so, the Thick Red Line Project — we actually went out and we started meeting with sheriffs and police chiefs. And — you know — a lot of them, we would be walked in by the community, like by — you know — a community group. I’d go, and I was — literally — I was in 20-something states in 2020.

I was in 30 states in 2021, organizing resistance all over the United States. And I would be — I would — I would be walked in. I would be meeting with a community group that has got no masks on, that knew what was going on, that was doing the exact same thing that you were doing and others were doing in their communities.

And a lot of times, they had great relationships. They knew the sheriff, they knew the police chief. And we’d — we’d — I’d walk in together with four or five community leaders, business owners — you know, coolest kids in town kind of a thing — and we’d sit down with the sheriff.

And I’m like, “Look, here’s what’s going on. Your strongest play is to say no collectively — you know, backed up by the community. And here’s the community, and they don’t want you to be doing this. And so you’ve got to draw a line in the sand, and you’ve got to say, ‘Hey, we’re not gonna do it.’”

But I gotta tell you, we faced so it’s ingrained in the United States, in the police departments, in the sheriff departments. They may prosecute victimless crimes. They will arrest you for things that are not crimes, and that’s how they raise their money. And — and they work with other agencies, and — and — and they don’t wanna be, like — like, I can’t — you know — like, like, what I’d, you know, sit across from sheriffs, and the sheriffs were like, “I — like, I agree with you, but I can’t do that. Because then I’d — you know — I’d be essentially pointing out that my deputies have been doing something immoral, and I’m not willing to do that.”

And they would admit to me, you know, flat out, like, “ I know that’s immoral. I know we shouldn’t be doing that. But I can’t because I have to work with these other agencies, or I don’t want to embarrass my deputies and, you know, and point that out.” And so that’s, you know, that’s a real big thing.

One of the things that I’m doing in the new book, To See the Cages, To Leave It, is I have a whole list of things — you know — like, I’m — I’m talking to the police in that, I’m talking to police and government employees, and I’m explaining — in no uncertain terms — the immorality of what people that work for the government are involved in. And at the end of the day, you know, government employees don’t pay taxes. And so a lot of government employees don’t seem to understand this, but the taxes are what is collected from the people that produce goods and services for others — the productive people in the world that are producing goods and services for other people.

And then that money is then stolen by the government, and that is the taxes. Okay? And then the government employees — and the police and — and the military and the politicians and the judges — they receive the taxes. They receive less taxes, but they’re not taxpayers — they’re tax receivers — and they’re living off money stolen at the point of a gun. And that’s very, very uncomfortable for a lot of people, but that’s the stone-cold truth of what’s going on and how this system has been able to produce it.

And the way that they get them to go along with it is they’re getting them when they’re young, putting them into mandatory government schools, they’re putting them into Cub Scouts, Boy Scouts, Explorers, JROTC, ROTC, police training, military training. And by the time that they come out of that, after the — that police and the military have used these unethical, manipulative techniques on them, they’re willing to set their morality aside, and they’re willing to use violence on peaceful people.

And that’s the stone-cold truth of what’s going on.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

The other thing I wanted to get to — and I think your book Government: The Biggest Scam in History does this really well — people often get into the weeds and get distracted talking about different forms of government, whether they’re communism, fascism, republics, constitutional monarchies, etc. And then they try and debate the ins and outs of all of them and which might be better and how to get the best representations.

I think your book “Government”: The Biggest Scam in History has a really good — it puts the different — some of the major systems — in columns and then goes down the next sentence to people. Pretty much all for the same purpose. They’re all designed for population control using mechanisms of coercion and violence.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

Yeah, so — so what you’re talking about, for those that have never seen the book — in the first part of the book, I break down kind of 20 techniques that — you know — a variety that governments use. There’s a playbook to kind of slaving up and dominating your — your — your population under government.

And I break down those 20 techniques. And on each page, I show what that — I explain the technique, and then I show what the technique looks like in the United States, what the technique looks like in Nazi Germany, East Germany, and the Soviet Union.

And the book is really designed to kind of wake up your friends, your family, your neighbors to what’s going on. Most people are visual learners, and they come to insight much quicker if you show them — you know, a visualization or a historical photo or a media ownership chart — or, you know, they can see it kind of with their own eyes. And what you do, you know, after you’ve read that section of the book is you’re like, “Hey, the United States is using the exact same techniques as Nazi Germany, as the Soviet Union, as — as — as East Germany.” They all have mandatory government schools running the Prussian model of education.

They all have a youth program — whether it’s the Hitler Youth or the Young Pioneers in the Soviet Union, in East Germany. Actually, the youth program was the Young Folk in Nazi Germany — that turns into the Hitler Youth. In the United States, it turns into Explorers, and so he didn’t turn to the Komosol, you know — whatever — you just keep going through and you’re like, “Oh my God, it is a playbook.” They’re all running this playbook. And then, because your — your — your friend or your family member or your colleague saw it with their own eyes…

They come to that moment of insight in a way that they, you know, they might not have come to if you tried to explain it to them. And one of the other things that I do in the book is — I’m using visualization to make things that were previously invisible to the population now visible through visualization. Like a COVID example — you know, I’ve got kind of a chart that was produced by Swiss Propaganda Research that shows dozens and dozens and dozens of ostensibly independent media organizations: Time Magazine, The Wall Street Journal, CBS, CNN, Fox News, The Economist — you know, the list goes on and on — that they’re all ostensibly independent and unaffiliated. But all of the key reporters, editors, publishers — they’re all in three or four organizations — like, they’re all in the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, or the Bilderberg Group. And so what you realize is, “Hey, wait a minute — these guys are all getting together.”

They’re meeting on a regular basis — generally in secured facilities, you know, that have probably been swept for bugs. And they’re — they’re — well, they could — yes — they could all be in on it. Look at that. They’re all organized into these three organizations that have maneuvered their members into all of the key points where they’re able to control the information that society receives across dozens and dozens of ostensibly — you know — unrelated media companies.

And consequently, those three organizations — the CFR, the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderberg Group — Jeffrey Epstein was a member of all three of those organizations. To give you an idea of kind of what kind of people that we’re talking about — when you see that with your own eyes — you know, now, like, that was kind of invisible to the population — that, “Oh, hey, all of these reporters and editors and publishers — they’re all together in these three organizations.” You know, now you’ve taken something that was invisible and you’ve made it visible using visualization. And so that again will bring somebody to that — you know — that moment of insight where they’re like, “Oh, I guess they all could be in on it. Yeah. Do you know — it’s funny…”

Dr. Sam Bailey:

I can relate to this because I think of how — what we do with our kids. Our kids are homeschooled, right? And we — and Mark will take them for exercise. And they’ll go for a run or a — a bike down to past the local school, and then they’ll be pointing, and they’ll go, “Oh…” They’ll come back and report to me and say, “Mom, we saw the caged kids today.”

And they really — they think of it like this. And — and then they’ll pick up things in, like, movies. So there’s a — a clip in Star Wars — yes — this is a fantastic idiom. I really enjoy — so I take my boys, the older ones…

Dr. Mark Bailey:

Out for, you know, a run each day. It’s their PE — physical education, if you like, for the day. And we end up having these funny conversations. And because of their ages — you know, our kids — the youngest, three, up to the oldest, 14 — there’s a lot of talk about Star Wars. And they — you know — they watch movies from time to time. And we have all these conversations about who is the greatest Jedi.

And generally — I don’t know how you feel about this, if you watch any Star Wars stuff — our general feeling is that probably Obi-Wan Kenobi — we consider him the greatest — you know — in terms of the natural abilities he got and his wisdom, etc. But then there’s this appalling scene in Revenge of the Sith when he has the confrontation with Anakin, where he says, “Anakin, my allegiance is to the Republic — to democracy.” And my kids absolutely love this, because we’ll be out running…

And if they — if someone wants to make the others laugh, they go, “What about democracy?” Yeah. And again, you know… So yeah. And our kids can see straight through it — that it’s coming back to that principle of how, you know, the public is so indoctrinated that there has to be some form of government.

They can’t accept that there could be a state of anarchy. So just coming back around to — to that theme — we know that anarchy has been — the establishment’s tried to discredit it. They make it look like it involves people throwing rocks through windows, people with no morals, people who don’t respect any laws — when, in fact, it is the exact opposite. Anarchists are people who say that there should be absolute laws that must be followed by everyone — regardless of whether you’re calling yourself the government or otherwise. Yeah.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

There’s — there’s — there is — there is true morality, and there’s something called natural law. And anything that is not a wrong… So — so, you know, a lot of people say, “I have a right to this. I have a right to own a gun. I’ve got a right to — you know — to speak freely,” and — and they have no idea where that word “right” comes from. And it comes from the natural law tradition. And anything that’s not wrong is your right. And so, if you’re not hurting somebody, then you should have the right to do anything you want — as long as you’re not hurting anybody else.

And the people that are — that are violating that natural law tradition — that is the government. That is the shaved-headed cult members — you know — wearing the uniform, which has been — you know — where they have been indoctrinated using these unethical, manipulative techniques to use violence on peaceful people — you know — for the government. That’s how you know that they’re bad — that they’re a bad man — is because they’re willing to use violence on peaceful people to raise revenue or to enforce the commandments — the laws of the religion — on their friends, their neighbors, and their colleagues. You know, the other thing that I wanted to say — say — about that is — is, you know — so — so because your kids see it — okay, once she — you know, let’s — you know, one of the things that I think that I do pretty well is that — you know — using these visualizations and memes. A meme — you know — like, I’m — you know — I’m really kinda known for my memes, and a meme is like a Molotov cocktail through the Overton window. One of the examples that I give is, in the United States…

There was a political philosopher and legal theorist by the name of Lysander Spooner.

And in the kind of the 1800s, he wrote a book called The Constitution of No Authority, where he just broke down — just destroyed — like, anybody that reads it today realizes that — you know — you can’t really have a — you know — a social contract. That — that, you know — you can have a social contract with the people that sign it, but if you didn’t sign the social contract, you’re not bound by it. And he just — just absolutely decimates — you know — the idea of the social contract in this — in this really well-written and entertaining treatise called The Constitution of No Authority. I’ve got this meme that shows Washington and everybody signing the Constitution in the United States, and — and there’s a guy signing, and Washington’s leaning over and goes, “Sign right there where we give ourselves the ability to make up rules for everyone and steal the wealth of others.” It just destroys the entire idea… “That’s — you’re right.”

This is dumb. Like, you know, it’s — it’s just — it’s a dumb idea. It doesn’t — you know — it’s immoral. You can’t — you can’t just — you know — you can’t have a a couple dozen slave owners in a nation of, you know, at the time there were 3,000,000 people living on the continent. You know, they can’t go into a room and write down on a fancy piece of paper that they alone get to steal the wealth of everybody and make up rules for everybody. It just doesn’t make any sense.

And then that — that one meme can just destroy that worldview for somebody and just make a mockery of the whole idea of the Constitution, in a way that — you know — that took, you know, Lysander Spooner — you know — an entire book. And so that’s — that’s one of the things I’m known for. And then the final thing I wanted to say about that is — so then once you see through it…

And once you understand, “Oh, the government’s running game on me — they’re doing tricks.” Some of the cases I’ve got — like — they’re giving the rulers halos.

In the United States, they’ll use this trick photography, and they’ll photograph the president in front of the seal of the presidency, and it makes it look like he’s got a halo. And they do it all the time. And — like — once you realize, “Are they doing that on purpose? To make him seem holy? And it’s a religion and they’re using these unethical, manipulative techniques?” Well, most people — when they — because nobody likes to get tricked. Nobody likes to get chunked.

Nobody likes to be — you know — made the fool. And once you realize that they’re making you the fool — they’re tricking you — then most people are like, “I’m out. I’m not — you know — like — oh, I — I didn’t see it, but now I see it.” And once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And so once — you know — like — like, I’m — I’m — one of the things I’m kind of proudest of is I’m producing what I like to call a one-way revolution, which is: once you see it, you can’t unsee it, and you don’t want to be a part of that. And you’re not gonna — you know — like — “Oh my god.”

And I’ve got — I’ve got some pictures in the new book. Man, I got — I got — I mean, it’s — it’s devastating, you know, to — like — the — the — the — you know — the Trumpians that — you know — all wore the — the fake, you know, bandage on their ear. And it just — it’s — it’s — it is a cult. And once you see it for what it is and you realize, “Oh my god, it’s a cult. It really is a cult.” Absolutely.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

And there are so many parallels here with the work we do. And I think you’ll appreciate that there’s this initial resistance. So for you — showing people that there’s this entity called government that is totally not necessary — that is incredibly harmful. And then getting people to get through to the other side… But once they see it, they say, “Oh yeah, totally. I get it.” We have the same with the virology and germ theory and many of the aspects of allopathic medicine. There’s this real resistance at the start to see that there’s a problem with that.

But once people are through to the other side, they totally wake up. Like — once someone wakes up to the fraud of virology and contagion — they — they never go back. They — they say that too: “I’m not doing a PCR test or a rapid antigen test — they’re pointless. I’m not lining up for any of their so-called countermeasures such as vaccines. I — I don’t feel the least bit scared that that’s what makes me sick.”

“I’m not going to wear a mask because it’s completely pointless.” So yeah — like — like you — we — we definitely have that same experience of — it’s a one-way street. Like, people don’t come from the no-virus position back to the virus position. You know? But they certainly come in the other direction. And that’s really reassuring — that we just get to people — you know — reach people one at a time, essentially.

And I think I would really encourage people who are not familiar with your work to — to look at it, and particularly to get a copy of Government — The Biggest Scam in History and — and your latest book as well. What was that?

Etienne de la Boetie2:

To See the Cage Is to Leave It: 25 Techniques the Few Use to Control the Many.

Dr. Sam Bailey:

Yeah. Can I say that? Well — just on the meme thing — what I think is so incredible with memes is that — to create the meme — to — to get the humor — you actually have to be intelligent. To one: understand it — and make it so succinct that you can put it into just a few words — you know — and an image. I think that is really clever. And I do honestly think your memes are the best.

And I think your new book To See the Cage Is to Leave It is so important for the audience. Because, like you said — it’s the first step. It’s the step to — basically — for freedom, really, isn’t it?

Etienne de la Boetie2:

Yeah. Yeah.

To enter — to your — because — what — you know — once you see it, you can’t unsee it. And there’s just no going back. You know, like — you know — once you get it and you’re like, “Oh my god, they were — they’ve been doing that. I just never noticed it. I — I was just — you know — it’s — it’s like you’re a fish, and a fish doesn’t see the water.”

Until you pull back and show the fish the water — then he realizes he’s been in the water.

And so to — to the degree — that’s what I’m doing with the book. I’m — I’m — I’m pulling back the curtain and showing people all of these tricks and the techniques and — and — and it is a one-way revolution where, you know, you’re not going back after you understand what’s been going on.

Dr. Sam Bailey:

Where — where abouts can people find you — find you — to unite for new followers and things? Where would you like people to follow you?

Etienne de la Boetie2:

Seethecage.com is where you can get the book. Governmentscam.com is where you can get Government — The Biggest Scam in History Exposed.

My foundation is the Art of Liberty Foundation. We’re kind of a startup public policy organization. We’re kind of a voluntaryist think tank. The goal is to — you know — have something like a Cato and Heritage from a — from a principled voluntaryist standpoint. We’re exposing not just the illegitimacy of government, but also its criminality.

And so here — you know — in the United States — and I’m sure in New Zealand as well — the government is being run as a criminal enterprise. You know — there’s money — like, we’re — we’ve been — you know — they’ve been stealing trillions of dollars through the TARP and the TWELF and the bailouts and the quote-unquote stimulus, and — you know — buying overpriced weapon systems to fight wars based on lies and manufactured intelligence and ethanol subsidies — and just — just one scam after another.

And so — you know — there — you know — all of the other — you know — quote-unquote think tanks in Washington, D.C. — you know — they all play along. Number one: as if — if — if government is legitimate. And number two: they all pretend like, “Oh, it’s not a criminal enterprise — there’s some bad people — whatever.”
No. It’s a — it’s a criminal enterprise.

And so — so — that’s kind of what makes us unique. That’s artofliberty.org.

Okay. And then finally, I’m on Substack: artofliberty.substack.com.

Dr. Mark Bailey:

Absolutely fantastic.

Well — isn’t it? It’s been a wonderful conversation.

And I’m sure many of our audience are probably already familiar with you and your work, but I’m sure there’s a whole lot of people that are just finding out about this for the first time as well. So, yeah, thank you so much. And also, thank you for — I know when you were investigating the fraud of COVID, you cited some of our work. So we were pleased that our contributions, including A Farewell to Virology, were useful to you. It was really nice to — to see that in your work.

So thank you so much. And we’ll probably have to catch up again at some stage — maybe get some updates. And I think — would you say that we’re pretty close to victory here?

Etienne de la Boetie2:
Yeah. You know — because I — so, you know, I’m an optimist. And it really is this one-way revolution, where — you know — once you realize, “Oh, it’s been a scam. They’re running game on me,” very few people go back to getting scammed and fooled and tricked.

And so — so I’m — I’m very, very optimistic. I think that — you know — I think it’s — it’s been kind of like a beach ball that’s been held underwater. You know, that’s one of the reasons that I encourage people to use volunteerism instead of anarchy, is because it gives you kind of this greenfield — you know, it means the exact same thing — but when people go, “Oh, what’s a voluntarist?” you don’t have to unpack all of the baggage around anarchy. You can just say, “Oh, all — you know — relationships between people should be voluntary. Nobody has rights that other people don’t.”

And — and you have kind of a greenfield opportunity to explain how — you know — a stateless society can produce both harmony and prosperity for everybody. And so, like, I — I don’t think that they’re going to be able to hide that in the Information Age. There’s no way to stop the signal.

You can — you know — you can de-index the signal for a bit, and you can de-platform the signal, and you can demonetize the signal, and you can shadowban the signal — but some of it is getting out. And more and more people are finding out the truth about what’s been going on, and that’s only going in one direction. It’s only picking up steam. We absolutely win in the end. It’s gonna be magnificent.

And I think society is really gonna flourish once we get the parasite of government — and these banks, the parasite of the — of banking and central banking and fractional reserve banking — you know, off of — you know — this giant tick — you know — you know, like, once we get this giant parasite off of us, I think society’s really gonna flourish.

Dr. Sam Bailey:
Oh, I agree. Thank you so much, Etienne, for your time. It’s been such a pleasure.

Etienne de la Boetie2:

Yeah. Thank you guys for what y’all do. We’re all in this together, so — so I really appreciate your work as well.

New book by Etienne de la Boetie2 exposes that the government and Hollywood have been running a multi-generational, trillion-dollar psychological operation on the population to indoctrinate them into accepting a ruling class, confiscatory taxation, and inflationary fractional reserve currency issued by private banks.

The book details 25 unethically manipulative techniques the “government” and monopoly media have been secretly using on the population, ranging from a hidden curriculum in their mandatory schools and scouting to the secret placement of propaganda in over 1,000+ movies and 1,000+ television shows. These techniques include subliminal messages and product placement of the American flag “anchored” to moments of high-positive emotion during the “programming”.

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